Petition against an egregious evil in Florida

Fred Christian is waging a campaign against a crying injustice which leads many of us (Continental Europeans) to view the so-called American dream as an unbearable hopeless nightmare.

 

“Petition Background

I am a 43 year old Florida Resident who never has had health insurance in my adult llife time ! I am one of over one Million Florida Residents who need a little help from my State! Our lives could be shortened by illneses that could have been prevented with access to Medical Services that would potentially keep us alive and heathy! For example I am an asthmatic and access to Medical Services would help, people like me greatly !  “

 

This is an aspect of Martin Luther King that the ruling class wants us to forget.

 

Such as an injustice in an allegedly godly nation is a spit in Christ’s face.

 

I think that proponents of the Christian Right should reconsider their priorities.

Jesus did not threatened prostitutes and homosexuals with hellfire (meaning the lost of one’s existence) but religious bigots and those failing to apply charity.

 

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

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15 thoughts on “Petition against an egregious evil in Florida

  1. Jesus did not threatened prostitutes and homosexuals with hellfire (meaning the lost of one’s existence) bur religious bigots and those failing to apply charity.

    So just so we’re clear – ‘charity’ means ‘the state tells the men they employ that everyone needs to give more money to what they determine to be a just cause. If they fail to give this money, the men with guns send documents to their house threatening to take the money by force, and lacking that, throw them in prison.’

    I’m defining charity correctly?

    Also, so we’re also clear – prostitution? A-OK. Pornography? Quite fine, Jesus loves you. Sodomy? Jesus loves you.

    Failing to vote for universal health care? Damned to hell, wiped from existence.

    Again, we’re on the same page here?

    • “Failing to vote for universal health care? Damned to hell, wiped from existence.”

      I think that if we were to be judged by our own actions, we would ALL be damned to hell.

      But if we humbly search to do the will of God and ask for forgiveness, He will accept us.

      I believe that failing to vote for universal health care is wrong BUT I recognize that many good people are sincere in their rejection of the project.
      And I certainly think you belong to this group.
      God will never reproach someone to have honestly followed his conscience, as the Pope repeatedly pointed out.

      Yet I also believe that many people want to uphold the status-quo without regard to its egregious consequences.

      Now not being God I cannot know what will happen to them or how they’ll be judged.
      The Bible and Jesus are far from being clear on that subject.
      I quoted this verse because fundies like to cite it for freaking people out while forgeting its most significant part.

      “Also, so we’re also clear – prostitution? A-OK. Pornography? Quite fine, Jesus loves you. Sodomy? Jesus loves you.”

      Of course, both of them are wrong . But they were not Christ’s priorities during His earthly ministry.

      And they are not the priorities of Pope Francis either.
      “If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, well who am I to judge them?”
      4) “We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods … The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently … We have to find a new balance …”

      “10) “How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?”

      11) “The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule.”

      12) “No to a financial system, which rules rather than serves. Behind this attitude lurks a rejection of ethics and a rejection of God.”

      13) “We are far from the so called ‘end of history,’ since the conditions for a sustainable and peaceful development have not yet been adequately articulated and realized.”

      I truly hope he’ll turn the Church of Rom upside down.
      In France and Germany, he is making the Church much more attractive.

      Friendly greetings from the Old World and its socialist healthcare.

      • I believe that failing to vote for universal health care is wrong BUT I recognize that many good people are sincere in their rejection of the project.

        Why is it wrong? And why are you treating ‘a good thing to do’ as apparently equivalent to ‘something a law should be passed to force people to do’?

        You and I both believe that Christianity is true, and good for a person’s soul and eternal life. Which one of us believes we should pass a law requiring children to be brought up – by the state, no less – as Christians? I know I don’t, and I suppose you don’t either. We wouldn’t even mandate children be baptized into the church – despite Christ having a little saying about bringing children to Him.

        Why don’t you see the issue of people who need health care as primarily a charitable issue? And I mean that – CHARITY. Encouraging people to give, freely, of their own will. Why is it a government issue, which by necessity is never charitable precisely because it’s forced?

        Of course, both of them are wrong . But they were not Christ’s priorities during His earthly ministry.

        How do you determine that? Christ sure was explicit about the wrongness of divorce. Is that a priority?

        And yes, Pope Francis says that – and then goes on to make clear that same-sex desire is still objectively disordered, and the acts are sinful. Should I be following Francis’ lead? Because that’s exactly what I’m doing.

        Oh, also? In the US? The Catholic Church is united against Obamacare at this point precisely because it turned into a method by which to force subsidization for birth control – and, eventually, I’m sure abortion will be added to that list.

        But the real point here is this: what you’re advocating is not charity. If aim a gun at someone’s head and tell them, ‘Put the money in the bag’, and whatever money they give me I give to a poor person, was that ‘charity’?

        Why is this post about demanding the state do something – instead of demanding people (including, might I add, liberals) give money out of their pocket to the poor in their neighborhoods?

        • My point was not that Pope Francis believed homosexuality to be right (this would be of course quite silly) BUT that for him social justice is a far greater priority.

          This is well illustrated by his behavior and the fact that Catholic integrists are angry against him for this very reason.

          Cheers.

      • Charity is by definition something I freely give someone of my own free will. Just as the Almighty in Charity created the World something the Divine Majesty did not have to do & was not compelled to do beyond the gratuities of the Divine Will.

        If I am forced to do it then it is a mere tax and not charity and I get no merit from observing it as an act of charity.

        >And they are not the priorities of Pope Francis either.
        “If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, well who am I to judge them?”

        BTW You are misquoting the Holy Father. I give one example. He said this in the same interview.

        QUOTE:”distinguish between a person who is gay and someone who makes a gay lobby.”

        “A gay person who is seeking God, who is of good will — well, who am I to judge him?” the pope said. “The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated into society. The problem isn’t this (homosexual) orientation — we must be like brothers and sisters. The problem is something else, the problem is lobbying either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic lobby.”END QUOTE

        The Pope was clearly making a distinction between activists who promote homosexuality in society and persons with same sex attraction who are trying to follow the gospel and struggling. This is the same man who a year before his election to the Chair of Peter in his own country called the effort to legalize gay marriage and gay adoption the work of the Prince of Lies. That too me is way more harsh then anything the Duck Dynasty Dude said IMHO.

        Politics is a matter of prudent judgement according to Catholic teaching. I am no more morally obligated to support socialist medicine as a solution to helping the poor then I am to support free market solutions and limited government solutions. That is a matter of prudent judgement. My judgement tells me Obamacare will lead to a loss of religious liberty and government tyranny that does not justify the limited good it will do a very small number of people.

        I would appreciate it you not use Our Spiritual Father for your own political purposes. Especially since you are not Catholic and clearly have little clue what you are talking about.

        Peace.

      • Or too put it simply. You sir are making the same mistakes the religious right makes only in the opposite direction politically. We Catholics find you as tedious as the right wing Fundies whom you are emulating. As a Catholic I know I don’t have to politically be for or against a Monarchy vs Democracy vs Republic vs Oligarchy etc….

        I must help the poor via divine command but there is no religiously mandated political or practical way to do this. I just must simply do it.

        Thus idiots like Sean Hannity stupidly conclude when the Pope condemns consumerism(i.e. the pursuit of material goods as an end in itself) he is actually condemning capitalism and conservative political theory. He is not. No political solution will bring about the salvation of man only God’s grace can do that. That was plain to me in reading the Pope but both the idiots in the right and left wing media misread that.

        It’s getting tiresome watching non-Catholics and ignorant ones comment on matters that they know nothing about.

        It’s just offensive.

      • This is well illustrated by his behavior and the fact that Catholic integrists are angry against him for this very reason.

        In other words, he never actually said that, but acting like he did helps you make a political point.

      • My point was not that Pope Francis believed homosexuality to be right (this would be of course quite silly) BUT that for him social justice is a far greater priority.

        Not really. And this is one thing that bothers me – the progressive habit of thinking the only way to care about the poor is to adhere to their views, pretty much all-encompassingly.

        The very idea that you can care for the poor but NOT support their political policies is an alien thought for many of them. Truly alien, like talking about a square circle – a reference to a thing that cannot be possible and makes no sense.

        Do you care for the poor? Oh then you want universal single-payer healthcare coverage, also abortion and contraception is covered. You oppose that? Why do you hate the poor?

        Wait, you say you do NOT hate the poor? My mistake – I thought you said you opposed the universal health care plan.

        Wait, you DO oppose that? Then why did you lie and say you don’t hate the poor?

        Etc, etc.

      • The very idea that you can care for the poor but NOT support their political policies is an alien thought for many of them. Truly alien, like talking about a square circle – a reference to a thing that cannot be possible and makes no sense.

        This actually makes a lot of sense of my discussion, such as it was, with sheila.

        Wait, you don’t hate women? Then why do you oppose the legality of abortion?

        Wait, you don’t support the legality of abortion? Then why do you hate women?

        Wait, you don’t hate women? Then why do you oppose the legality of abortion…

        Okay, fine, I’ll apologize as soon as you prove to me that you don’t hate women.

    • Crude, I believe that liberals can be as self-righteous, smug and arrogant as conservatives.

      Just because I expose anti-white racism I was several times called a racist myself:
      https://lotharlorraine.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/anti-white-racism-and-extraordinary-claims/

      I think that the intolerant hatred affecting both sides of the culture war has profound psychological causes:
      https://lotharlorraine.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/the-rational-tail-and-its-emotional-dog-and-its-practical-ethical-implications/

      Cheers.

      • Lothar,

        I’m probably sounding aggressive here – but I’m not questioning your sincerity or anything like that. I am disagreeing, albeit strongly, with some of your conclusions and views. I think there is a very common (among left and right) failing nowadays, where people think ‘taking action on an issue’ amounts to ‘get the government to do something’. I think I saw this in this very thread.

        There exist some poor people. What’s the response? Did you exhort people to give to charity? To give their time to helping people? Well, no, you linked to a petition and suggested that right-wing people.. I don’t know, just don’t care about the poor BECAUSE they are not signing on with your political conclusion. Do you really believe that? I mean, is it really a case of ‘either you support universal health care or you just plain don’t care about the poor’? There’s no alternative view there, no legitimate disagreement to be had?

        It’s not like I don’t think you can be level headed about this. But being level-headed doesn’t cash out to being right.

      • I think that you’re sincere, but you should stop using the Pope as a bludgeon, because you’re flat out wrong.

        The Pope is Catholic. He is not liberal or conservative in the traditional sense, and certainly not progressive in the sense you use it. Calling upon Pope Francis to support your views on healthcare and homosexuality is badly misguided at best and dishonest at worst.

      • I don’t doubt your sincerity either but misusing the Pope is to put it in liberal terms……insensitive.

        He is the Successor to Peter and using his own words to promote your own self serving agenda is un-tort

      • The Pope is Catholic. He is not liberal or conservative in the traditional sense, and certainly not progressive in the sense you use it. Calling upon Pope Francis to support your views on healthcare and homosexuality is badly misguided at best and dishonest at worst.

        I think part of the problem here may be that at this point, the ‘IF YOU OPPOSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE YOU’RE THE WBC’ gimmick has received so much air-time, been repeated so much, that when the Pope comes out and says ‘Look, homosexuality is disordered but it’s not like you’re a monster just for having that attraction’, it’s treated as this big amazing step in the direction of progressivism other than, you know, what’s been said for a while once you get past the propaganda.

        And in part, probably a return to the same square-circleisms.

  2. I wouldn’t play the “Pope Francis” card if I were you. He is, you know, Catholic and all. His beliefs don’t exactly jive with progressive Christianity, which includes probably at least 80% or so of the points you try to make. For example, in the same quote you’re referring to Pope Francis says that the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains his position very well.

    Well Marc, go ahead. What does the Catechism say about homosexuality? After all, liberal idol Pope Francis said to consult the Catechism. Give it a shot, see what you think.

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