CreationWiki, evolution and the inerrant Bible

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For all of us who are interested in fringe groups, CreationWiki provides us with an invaluable resource.

Naturally it is pretty dubious as a scientific source, but it gives us deep insights into the mind of creationists.

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Some who dismiss the idea of a global flood do so because they say the Flood would have had to rise as high as Mount Everest, because Genesis 7:19 says the waters covered “all the high hills.” Mount Everest peaks at 29,035 feet (8850 metres), and they say there is not enough water on earth to cover such a height.[13]

This is actually a straw man argument. Creationists do not claim that the Flood covered Mount Everest to its current height (see below). Those who accept the local-flood theory have to admit that the flood must have covered Mount Ararat, because that is where the ark landed. Mount Ararat is now 17,000 feet (5182 meters) high. In the local-flood theory, it would have had the same height before as after the Flood. But waters do not form a cube 17,000 feet high, which seems to make the local-flood theory illogical. The Bible tells us what happened:

“You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight; they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them. You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth.”Psalm 104:6-9

This passage tells us that mountains rose and valleys sank during the Flood. Mount Everest rose up during the Flood, so the Flood did not need to reach the height that Mount Everest is today.

There is enough water on earth for a global flood. If the earth was smoothed out, the water in the oceans would cover it to a depth of about 8,813 feet (2.6 kilometres). This does not include the water in rivers, lakes, glaciers, and other sources. They would add about another 2–3 thousand feet (600-900 metres). In reality, the Flood would only need to be a little over 7,000 feet (2.1 kilometres) deep.

So the real question is whether it is possible for Mount Everest to have risen to its current height fast enough to fit a time-scale consistent with the Flood. The earthquake that caused the Indonesian tsunami of December 26, 2004 caused an uplift of at least 20 feet (six metres) in a few minutes, which is a speed of about 240 feet per hour (84 metres per hour). At that rate Mount Everest could have reached its current height in about five days. Forces observed in earthquakes are sufficient, if extended long enough, to quickly raise the highest mountain to its current height in just a few days.

The result is that, based on the amount of water on earth, and observed tectonic forces, there was the potential to quickly raise mountains. So the global Flood of the Bible is theoretically possible. You can see a seafloor study that traces culprits behind Indian Ocean tsunami[14] for further explanation.”

“Could a just God destroy innocent life?

This objection refers to the many living things that were destroyed in the Flood. Why destroy the innocent animals? This is answered with an examination of the context. Mortal life, including plants and animals, since the Fall of Adam and Eve, is subject to death. Withholding a global flood would not have saved any animal or plant from death. The justice of God provided a way for many species to be saved on the Ark. God waited as long as his justice would allow, before causing a Flood that would shorten the life spans of individual creatures but would not destroy species: Life would return and the earth would be repopulated.”

(Wow, and it is evolutionists who are nihilists denying any value to life???)

Homo erectus is the species name assigned to human fossils that evolutionists claim are transitional forms between australopithecines (apes) and both Neanderthals and modern humans. To date, more than 280 fossil individuals have been found that are identified with this group.[1] The species name means “erect or upright man” and was the name first put forth by Ernst Mayr to unify the classification of Asian fossils.

Creationists generally agree that all supposed ape-men fossils are, in fact, either ape or fully human. Species names within the taxonomic genus homo are viewed as fabricated classes invented to support evolutionary theory, and should be regarded as mere instruments of propaganda. The majority of Homo erectus fossils represent the populations of humans that lived following the global flood and the Tower of Babel, and should be considered true Homo sapiens.[2]”

The extensive timeframe of Homo erectus fossils overlaps other hominids so extensively that it should void any attempt to claim an evolutionary sequence. For example, Homo erectus is almost universally held to have evolved from Homo habilis despite the fact that their fossils appear at roughly the same time (the oldest H. erectus fossil is dated at 1.95 mya and the oldest H. habilis fossil dated at just over 2.0 mya). Furthermore, they continued to coexists throughout the entire 500,000 year span when Homo habilis is said to have lived.[11] Such inconsistencies between the theory of evolution and the fossil evidence are often concealed. Marvin Lubenow warns in his book, Bones of Contention, about the way that evolutionists present the relationship between Homo habilis and Homo erectus..

Terms like Homo erectus and Homo habilis are convenient terms to use in reference to groups of fossil material. But it is obvious that when evolutionists give dates for Homo erectus that do not fit the fossil material, or when they say that Homo habilis evolved into Homo erectus, contrary to what the fossil material shows, they are using those terms in a manipulative manner without regard for the fossil material in those categories. It is not unusual in evolutionary charts to show Homo habilis somewhat below Homo erectus, implying that Homo habilis is earlier in time.[12]

Furthermore, H. erectus is shown to have lived alongside what are known as “early Homo sapiens” during their entire 700,000 year existence, and alongside Neanderthals throughout the 800,000 years of their history. And lastly, Homo erectus individuals have lived side by side with anatomically modern humans for 2 million years (according to evolutionary chronology).[13]”

I think that I am much more depressed than angry after having read that.

Creationists (especially those believing in a young earth) are one of the main reasons why people give up their Christian faith and become atheists.

I think that Richard Dawkins in all this glory could never be as successful as they are in that respect.

Losing faith, apostasy, atheism, bad apologetics

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Für alle von uns, die an Randgruppen interessiert sind, bietet CreatioWiki eine sehr wertvolle Ressource.

Als naturwissenschaftliche Quelle ist es natürlich sehr dubiös, aber es liefert uns tiefe Einsichten in den Geist von Kreationnisten.

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Ich mag besonders diesen Teil über den Evolutionismus:

Herausforderungen an den Evolutionismus

Kreationisten stellen Evolutionismus häufig aufgrund der folgenden Ideen in Frage:

  • Evolutionismus existierte mehr als 2000 Jahre vor Darwin, in den Schriften von Anaximander, Epicur, Lucretius und den Atomisten, sowie in der Philosophie. Es ist daher keie “neue und wissenschaftliche Entwicklung”, sondern das Wiederaufleben sehr alter und spekulativer heidnischer Ideen.
  • Die primären Grundsätze des Evolutionismus sind metaphysisch, anstatt wissenschaftlich. Damit eine Idee wissenschaftlich ist, muss sie testbar sein. Der heutige Evolutionismus geht von der Abwesenheit jeglicher göttlicher Eingriffe in den Ursprung des Lebens aus, aber diese Abwesenheit kann nicht bewiesen oder getestet werden. Dementsprechend, auch wenn es vorstellbar ist, handelt es sich nicht um Wissenschaft, sondern um metaphysische Spekulation.
  • Insoweit sie testbar sind, erwiesen sich die Vorraussagen des Evolutionismus als Fehlschläge. Die gefundenen Fossilien liefern nicht die Übergangsformen, die gemeinsame Vorfahren bestätigen würden. Die geologischen Funde passen besser zum Katastrophismus als zum Uniformitarismus. Der Ursprung des Lebens selbst wurde bisher durch keinen anderen Weg als einen intelligenten, schöpferischen Akt erklärt.
  • Evolutionisten weisen typischerweise auf all die märchenhaften Ansichten von religiösen Ideologisten. Während sie religiöse Sichtweisen auf kindliche Bildung zurückführen, sprechen sie ihren Opponenten jegliche wissenschaftliche Herangehensweise ab und attackieren sie häufig, anstatt ihre Position mit Fakten und Beweisen zu unterstützen.

Über das angebliche wissenschaftliche Vorwissen der Bibel behaupten sie (unter anderem):

Die Bibel und wie Löwen ihre Beute töten

Bis vor kurzem glaubten Zooologen, dass Löwen ihre Beute dadurch töten, dass sie ihr den Nacken durchbeißen oder diesen durch einen Pfotenhieb brechen.[54] 1972 beobachtete George B. Schaller jedoch selbst Löwen über 3 Jahre lang für insgesamt mehr als 2900 Stunden. Er untersuchte zudem die Beute, um herauszufinden, woran sie starb.

Die Bibel besagt:

Der Löwe raubte genug für seine Jungen und würgte für seine Löwinnen. Seine Höhlen füllte er mit Raub und seine Wohnung mit dem, was er zerrissen hatte. Nahum 2:13

Die wörtliche Übersetzung beschreibt die Tötungsmethode als “erwürgen”.[54] Schaller beobachtete:

Sie (die Löwen) schleichen sich heran, stürzen sich auf die Beute, schlagen eine Flanke, reißen das Tier zu Boden und töten es dann langsam durch erwürgen. (Reader’s Digest, June, 1978)

Der Nacken der Beute wird dabei nicht gebrochen.[54] Heute ist dies unter Zoologen weitbekannt.

Da aber Heimschulen in der BRD verboten sind, bezweifle ich, dass ein solches Werkzeug wirksam sein kann, Kinder von Fundamentalisten vor den Gefahren der Evolutionstheorie zu schützen.

Ich hoffe wirklich, dass sie das schliesslich nicht mehr als Bedrohung für ihren Glauben ansehen werden. Der Kreationnismus ist zweifelsohne einer der Hauptgründe, warum Menschen den Christlichen Glauben aufgeben.

 

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